Allen Epley returns to the show and we discuss skiing, Line 6 Delay Pedals, the making of Shiner's 2020 LP Schadenfreude, how the band learned to write together again after 15 years apart, playing 3rd guitar for Sunny Day Real Estate, Allen's band Birdhands, Shiner's new LP BELIEVEYOUME, the making of the record, navigating creative differences, Allen's post-Shiner band The Life and Times, his gear setup for the band, Allen's solo record Everything, his band BirdHands, his podcast Third Gear Scratch and more.

In this episode, I sit down with Josh Newton, a musician whose fingerprints are all over some of the most compelling underground sounds of the past three decades. We trace his path from the fertile Kansas City scene of the ’90s, where Shiner carved out their space alongside the era’s noisy, angular bands, to his wild ride as a bassist in Every Time I Die, one of hardcore’s most unpredictable live acts. Josh shares stories from the early days of playing noisy, experimental music, the transition into heavier and more chaotic environments, and how he’s navigated the balance between passion...